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Παγκόσμια ακαδημαϊκή κίνηση για το Σκοπιανό!
21-05-2009 10:22:13

Με μία εντυπωσιακότατη κίνηση 220 ακαδημαϊκοί από όλο τον κόσμο και μέλη
των πλέον φημισμένων πανεπιστημίων του εξωτερικού απέστειλαν προς την
κυβέρνηση των Ηνωμένων Πολιτειών της Αμερικής (ΗΠΑ) μακροσκελή επιστολή
ζητώντας να εξασκήσει όλη της την επιρροή προς την κυβέρνηση των Σκοπίων
για να σταματήσει η παραχάραξη της ιστορίας.

«Βηθείστε την κυβέρνηση της ΠΓΔΜ να καταλάβει πως δεν μπορεί να
οικοδομεί μία εθνική ταυτότητα εις βάρος της ιστορικής αλήθειας»
αναφέρουν στην επιστολή τους οι ακαδημαϊκοί. Ας σημειωθεί πως στην λίστα
υπάρχουν ονόματα από καθηγητές των πανεπιστημίων του Πρίνστον, του
Χάρβαρντ και την Οξφόρδης. Εκτός των ελληνικών ιδρυμάτων, οι επιφανείς
ακαδημαϊκοί αντιπροσωπεύουν και πανεπιστήμια για παράδειγμα από την
Γερμανία, την Ελβετία, την Ιταλία, την Αυστρία, τον Καναδά το Ηνωμένο
Βασίλειο καθώς και τις ΗΠΑ. Ας σημειωθεί δε πως οι υπογραφές δεν είναι
μόνο Ελλήνων ή ελληνικής καταγωγής ακαδημαϊκών , αλλά πραγματικά έχει
λάβει παγκόσμιες διαστάσεις.

Στην επιστολή τους οι ακαδημαϊκοί απαντάνε σε όλα τα ερωτήματα σχετικά
με το θέμα και φυσικά καταλήγουν πως δεν είναι δυνατόν μία χώρα, με την
βοήθεια των ίδιων των ΗΠΑ, να παραχαράσει ιστορικά δεδομένα με σκοπό να
δημιουργήσει την δική της ταυτότητα. Έτσι καλούνε την Ουάσιγκτον να
διορθώσει τα «λάθη» της κυβέρνησης του Τ. Μπούς στο συγκεκριμένο θέμα.

Για την παγκόσμια ακαδημαϊκή κοινότητα, είναι σαφές λοιπόν πως ο «Μέγας
Αλέξανδρος ήταν Έλληνας, δεν ήταν Σλάβος, καθώς οι Σλάβοι και η γλώσσα
τους κατέφθασαν στην περιοχή 1000 χρόνια αργότερα». Σημειώνουν δε και
ζητούν η κυβέρνηση των ΗΠΑ «να βρει τους κατάλληλους τρόπους σας ώστε η
κυβέρνηση των Σκοπίων να καταλάβει ότι δεν μπορεί να οικοδομηθεί μια
εθνική ταυτότητα εις βάρος της ιστορικής αλήθειας. Η διεθνής κοινωνία
δεν μπορεί να επιβιώσει, όταν η ιστορία είναι αγνοηθεί, πόσο μάλλον όταν
η ιστορία είναι κατασκευασμένη».

Οι υπογραφές αυξάνονται καθημερινά καθώς έχει δημιουργηθεί ειδική
ιστοσελίδα http://macedonia-evidence.org/ για το θέμα αυτό με όλες τις
λεπτομέρειες και τη συνέχιση της συλλογής υπογραφών.

Λόγω της σημασίας της συγκεκριμένη κίνησης το defencenet.gr παρουσιάζει
την επιστολή καθώς και τις υπογραφές όλων των ακαδημαικών, η επιστολή
βρίσκεται στην διεύθυνση http://macedonia-evidence.org/obama-letter.html:

"The Honorable Barack Obama
President, United States of AmericaWhite House
1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW
Washington, DC 20500

Dear President Obama,We, the undersigned scholars of Graeco-Roman
antiquity, respectfully request that you intervene to clean up some of
the historical debris left in southeast Europe by the previous U.S.
administration.
On November 4, 2004, two days after the re-election of President George
W. Bush, his administration unilaterally recognized the “Republic of
Macedonia.” This action not only abrogated geographic and historic fact,
but it also has unleashed a dangerous epidemic of historical
revisionism, of which the most obvious symptom is the misappropriation
by the government in Skopje of the most famous of Macedonians, Alexander
the Great.

We believe that this silliness has gone too far, and that the U.S.A. has
no business in supporting the subversion of history. Let us review
facts. (The documentation for these facts [here in boldface] can be
found attached and at:
http://macedonia-evidence.org/documentation.html)The land in question,
with its modern capital at Skopje, was called Paionia in antiquity. Mts.
Barnous and Orbelos (which form today the northern limits of Greece)
provide a natural barrier that separated, and separates, Macedonia from
its northern neighbor. The only real connection is along the
Axios/Vardar River and even this valley “does not form a line of
communication because it is divided by gorges.”While it is true that the
Paionians were subdued by Philip II, father of Alexander, in 358 B.C.
they were not Macedonians and did not live in Macedonia. Likewise, for
example, the Egyptians, who were subdued by Alexander, may have been
ruled by Macedonians, including the famous Cleopatra, but they were
never Macedonians themselves, and Egypt was never called Macedonia.

Rather, Macedonia and Macedonian Greeks have been located for at least
2,500 years just where the modern Greek province of Macedonia is.
Exactly this same relationship is true for Attica and Athenian Greeks,
Argos and Argive Greeks, Corinth and Corinthian Greeks, etc. We do not
understand how the modern inhabitants of ancient Paionia, who speak
Slavic – a language introduced into the Balkans about a millennium after
the death of Alexander – can claim him as their national hero. Alexander
the Great was thoroughly and indisputably Greek. His great-great-great
grandfather, Alexander I, competed in the Olympic Games where
participation was limited to Greeks. Even before Alexander I, the
Macedonians traced their ancestry to Argos, and many of their kings used
the head of Herakles - the quintessential Greek hero - on their coins.

Euripides – who died and was buried in Macedonia– wrote his play
Archelaos in honor of the great-uncle of Alexander, and in Greek. While
in Macedonia, Euripides also wrote the Bacchai, again in Greek.
Presumably the Macedonian audience could understand what he wrote and
what they heard.

Alexander’s father, Philip, won several equestrian victories at Olympia
and Delphi, the two most Hellenic of all the sanctuaries in ancient
Greece where non-Greeks were not allowed to compete. Even more
significantly, Philip was appointed to conduct the Pythian Games at
Delphi in 346 B.C. In other words, Alexander the Great’s father and his
ancestors were thoroughly Greek. Greek was the language used by
Demosthenes and his delegation from Athens when they paid visits to
Philip, also in 346 B.C. Another northern Greek, Aristotle, went off to
study for nearly 20 years in the Academy of Plato. Aristotle
subsequently returned to Macedonia and became the tutor of Alexander
III. They used Greek in their classroom which can still be seen near
Naoussa in Macedonia.

Alexander carried with him throughout his conquests Aristotle’s edition
of Homer’s Iliad. Alexander also spread Greek language and culture
throughout his empire, founding cities and establishing centers of
learning. Hence inscriptions concerning such typical Greek institutions
as the gymnasium are found as far away as Afghanistan. They are all
written in Greek.

The questions follow: Why was Greek the lingua franca all over
Alexander’s empire if he was a “Macedonian”? Why was the New Testament,
for example, written in Greek?

The answers are clear: Alexander the Great was Greek, not Slavic, and
Slavs and their language were nowhere near Alexander or his homeland
until 1000 years later. This brings us back to the geographic area known
in antiquity as Paionia. Why would the people who live there now call
themselves Macedonians and their land Macedonia? Why would they abduct a
completely Greek figure and make him their national hero?

The ancient Paionians may or may not have been Greek, but they certainly
became Greekish, and they were never Slavs. They were also not
Macedonians. Ancient Paionia was a part of the Macedonian Empire. So
were Ionia and Syria and Palestine and Egypt and Mesopotamia and
Babylonia and Bactria and many more. They may thus have become
“Macedonian” temporarily, but none was ever “Macedonia”. The theft of
Philip and Alexander by a land that was never Macedonia cannot be justified.

The traditions of ancient Paionia could be adopted by the current
residents of that geographical area with considerable justification. But
the extension of the geographic term “Macedonia” to cover southern
Yugoslavia cannot. Even in the late 19th century, this misuse implied
unhealthy territorial aspirations.

The same motivation is to be seen in school maps that show the
pseudo-greater Macedonia, stretching from Skopje to Mt. Olympus and
labeled in Slavic. The same map and its claims are in calendars, bumper
stickers, bank notes, etc., that have been circulating in the new state
ever since it declared its independence from Yugoslavia in 1991. Why
would a poor land-locked new state attempt such historical nonsense? Why
would it brazenly mock and provoke its neighbor?

However one might like to characterize such behavior, it is clearly not
a force for historical accuracy, nor for stability in the Balkans. It is
sad that the United States of America has abetted and encouraged such
behavior.
We call upon you, Mr. President, to help - in whatever ways you deem
appropriate - the government in Skopje to understand that it cannot
build a national identity at the expense of historic truth. Our common
international society cannot survive when history is ignored, much less
when history is fabricated.
Sincerely,

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Harry C. Avery, Professor of Classics, University of Pittsburgh (USA)
Dr. Dirk Backendorf. Akademie der Wissenschaften und der Literatur Mainz
(Germany)
Elizabeth C. Banks, Associate Professor of Classics (ret.), University
of Kansas (USA)
Luigi Beschi, professore emerito di Archeologia Classica, Università di
Firenze (Italy)
Josine H. Blok, professor of Ancient History and Classical Civilization,
Utrecht University (The Netherlands)
Alan Boegehold, Emeritus Professor of Classics, Brown University (USA)
Efrosyni Boutsikas, Lecturer of Classical Archaeology, University of
Kent (UK)
Keith Bradley, Eli J. and Helen Shaheen Professor of Classics,
Concurrent Professor of History, University of Notre Dame (USA)
Stanley M. Burstein, Professor Emeritus, California State University,
Los Angeles (USA)
Francis Cairns, Professor of Classical Languages, The Florida State
University (USA)
John McK. Camp II, Agora Excavations and Professor of Archaeology,
ASCSA, Athens (Greece)
Paul Cartledge, A.G. Leventis Professor of Greek Culture, University of
Cambridge (UK)
Paavo Castrén, Professor of Classical Philology Emeritus, University of
Helsinki (Finland)
William Cavanagh, Professor of Aegean Prehistory, University of
Nottingham (UK)
Angelos Chaniotis, Professor, Senior Research Fellow, All Souls College,
Oxford (UK)
Paul Christesen, Professor of Ancient Greek History, Dartmouth College (USA)
Ada Cohen, Associate Professor of Art History, Dartmouth College (USA)
Randall M. Colaizzi, Lecturer in Classical Studies, University of
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Kathleen M. Coleman, Professor of Latin, Harvard University (USA)
Michael B. Cosmopoulos, Ph.D., Professor and Endowed Chair in Greek
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Michael M. Eisman, Associate Professor Ancient History and Classical
Archaeology, Department of History, Temple University (USA)
Mostafa El-Abbadi, Professor Emeritus, University of Alexandria (Egypt)
R. Malcolm Errington, Professor für Alte Geschichte (Emeritus)
Philipps-Universität, Marburg (Germany)
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Aristotle University of Thessaloniki (Greece)Denis Feeney, Giger
Professor of Latin, Princeton University (USA)
Elizabeth A. Fisher, Professor of Classics and Art History,
Randolph-Macon College (USA)
Nick Fisher, Professor of Ancient History, Cardiff University (UK)
R. Leon Fitts, Asbury J Clarke Professor of Classical Studies, Emeritus,
FSA, Scot., Dickinson Colllege (USA)
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Archaeology), McGill Univertsity, Montreal, and Curator of Archaeology,
Montreal Museum of Fine Arts (Canada)
Robin Lane Fox, University Reader in Ancient History, New College,
Oxford (UK)
Rainer Friedrich, Professor of Classics Emeritus, Dalhousie University,
Halifax, N.S. (Canada)
Heide Froning, Professor of Classical Archaeology, University of Marburg
(Germany)
Peter Funke, Professor of Ancient History, University of Muenster (Germany)
Traianos Gagos, Professor of Greek and Papyrology, University of
Michigan (USA)
Robert Garland, Roy D. and Margaret B. Wooster Professor of the
Classics, Colgate University, Hamilton NY (USA)
Douglas E. Gerber, Professor Emeritus of Classical Studies, University
of Western Ontario (Canada)
Hans R. Goette, Professor of Classical Archaeology, University of
Giessen (Germany); German Archaeological Institute, Berlin (Germany)
Sander M. Goldberg, Professor of Classics, UCLA (USA)
Erich S. Gruen, Gladys Rehard Wood Professor of History and Classics,
Emeritus, University of California, Berkeley (USA)
Christian Habicht, Professor of Ancient History, Emeritus, Institute for
Advanced Study, Princeton (USA)
Donald C. Haggis, Nicholas A. Cassas Term Professor of Greek Studies,
University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill (USA)
Judith P. Hallett, Professor of Classics, University of Maryland,
College Park, MD (USA)
Prof. Paul B. Harvey, Jr. Head, Department of Classics and Ancient
Mediterranean Studies, The Pennsylvania State University (USA)
Eleni Hasaki, Associate Professor of Classical Archaeology, University
of Arizona (USA)
Miltiades B. Hatzopoulos, Director, Research Centre for Greek and Roman
Antiquity, National Research Foundation, Athens (Greece)
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Antikensammlung der Staatlichen Museen zu Berlin (Germany)
Steven W. Hirsch, Associate Professor of Classics and History, Tufts
University (USA)
Karl-J. Hölkeskamp, Professor of Ancient History, University of Cologne
(Germany)
Frank L. Holt, Professor of Ancient History, University of Houston (USA)
Dan Hooley, Professor of Classics, University of Missouri (USA)
Meredith C. Hoppin, Gagliardi Professor of Classical Languages, Williams
College, Williamstown, MA (USA)
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(USA) and Affiliated Professor, University of Washington (USA)
Georgia Kafka, Visiting Professor of Modern Greek Language, Literature
and History, University of New Brunswick (Canada)
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University (USA)
Andromache Karanika, Assistant Professor of Classics, University of
California, Irvine (USA)
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of Latin, Princeton University (USA)
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Department, Hunter College, City University of New York (USA)
Dietmar Kienast, Professor Emeritus of Ancient History, University of
Duesseldorf (Germany)
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Methodist University (USA)
Dr. Florian Knauss, associate director, Staatliche Antikensammlungen und
Glyptothek Muenchen (Germany)
Denis Knoepfler, Professor of Greek Epigraphy and History, Collège de
France (Paris)
Ortwin Knorr, Associate Professor of Classics, Willamette University (USA)
Robert B. Koehl, Professor of Archaeology, Department of Classical and
Oriental Studies Hunter College, City University of New York (USA)
Georgia Kokkorou-Alevras, Professor of Classical Archaeology, University
of Athens (Greece)
Ann Olga Koloski-Ostrow, Associate Professor and Chair, Department of
Classical Studies, Brandeis University (USA)
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History, Department of Greek & Roman Classics, Temple UniversityHaritini
Kotsidu, Apl. Prof. Dr. für Klassische Archäologie, Goethe-Universität,
Frankfurt/M. (Germany)
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of Zürich (Switzerland)
David Kovacs, Hugh H. Obear Professor of Classics, University of
Virginia (USA)
Peter Krentz, W. R. Grey Professor of Classics and History, Davidson
College (USA)
Friedrich Krinzinger, Professor of Classical Archaeology Emeritus,
University of Vienna (Austria)
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Donald G. Kyle, Professor of History, University of Texas at Arlington (USA)
Prof. Dr. Dr. h.c. Helmut Kyrieleis, former president of the German
Archaeological Institute, Berlin (Germany)
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Steven Lattimore, Professor Emeritus of Classics, University of
California, Los Angeles (USA)
Francis M. Lazarus, President, University of Dallas (USA)
Mary R. Lefkowitz, Andrew W. Mellon Professor in the Humanities,
Emerita, Wellesley College (USA)
Iphigeneia Leventi, Assistant Professor of Classical Archaeology,
University of Thessaly (Greece)
Daniel B. Levine, Professor of Classical Studies, University of Arkansas
(USA)
Christina Leypold, Dr. phil., Archaeological Institute, University of
Zurich (Switzerland)
Vayos Liapis, Associate Professor of Greek, Centre d’Études Classiques &
Département de Philosophie, Université de Montréal (Canada)
Hugh Lloyd-Jones, Professor of Greek Emeritus, University of Oxford (UK)
Yannis Lolos, Assistant Professor, History, Archaeology, and
Anthropology, University of Thessaly (Greece)
Stanley Lombardo, Professor of Classics, University of Kansas, USA
Anthony Long, Professor of Classics and Irving G. Stone Professor of
Literature, University of California, Berkeley (USA)
Julia Lougovaya, Assistant Professor, Department of Classics, Columbia
University (USA)
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College (USA)
John Magee, Professor, Department of Classics, Director, Centre for
Medieval Studies, University of Toronto (Canada)
Dr. Christofilis Maggidis, Associate Professor of Archaeology, Dickinson
College (USA)
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University, Dayton, Ohio (USA)
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Classics, Stanford UniversityMaria Mavroudi, Professor of Byzantine
History, University of California, Berkeley (USA)
Alexander Mazarakis Ainian, Professor of Classical Archaeology,
University of Thessaly (Greece)
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Excavations in Samothrace Institute of Fine Arts, New York University (USA)
James C. McKeown, Professor of Classics, University of Wisconsin-Madison
(USA)
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Andreas Mehl, Professor of Ancient History, Universitaet
Halle-Wittenberg (Germany)
Harald Mielsch, Professor of Classical Archeology, University of Bonn
(Germany)
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University of California, Berkeley (USA)
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York University (USA)
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(Germany)
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Archaeology, Harvard University (USA)
Margaret S. Mook, Associate Professor of Classical Studies, Iowa State
University (USA)
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Missouri- Columbia (USA)
Jennifer Sheridan Moss, Associate Professor, Wayne State University (USA)
Ioannis Mylonopoulos, Assistant Professor of Greek Art History and
Archaeology, Columbia University, New York (USA).
Richard Neudecker, PD of Classical Archaeology, Deutsches
Archäologisches Institut Rom (Italy)
James M.L. Newhard, Associate Professor of Classics, College of
Charleston (USA)
Carole E. Newlands, Professor of Classics, University of Wisconsin,
Madison (USA)
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University of New York (USA)
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Carolina, Chapel Hill (USA)
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Olga Palagia, Professor of Classical Archaeology, University of Athens
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College of William and Mary (USA)
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Irvine (USA)
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Social Anthropology, University of Thessaly (Greece)
Anthony J. Papalas, Professor of Ancient History, East Carolina
University (USA)
Nassos Papalexandrou, Associate Professor, The University of Texas at
Austin (USA)
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Civilization, Department of Classics, Georgetown University (USA)
Richard W. Parker, Associate Professor of Classics, Brock University
(Canada)
Robert Parker, Wykeham Professor of Ancient History, New College, Oxford
(UK)
Anastasia-Erasmia Peponi, Associate Professor of Classics, Stanford
University (USA)
Jacques Perreault, Professor of Greek archaeology, Université de
Montréal, Québec (Canada)
Yanis Pikoulas, Associate Professor of Ancient Greek History, University
of Thessaly (Greece)
John Pollini, Professor of Classical Art & Archaeology, University of
Southern California (USA)
David Potter, Arthur F. Thurnau Professor of Greek and Latin. The
University of Michigan (USA)
Robert L. Pounder, Professor Emeritus of Classics, Vassar College (USA)
Nikolaos Poulopoulos, Assistant Professor in History and Chair in Modern
Greek Studies, McGill University (Canada)
William H. Race, George L. Paddison Professor of Classics, University of
North Carolina at Chapel Hill (USA)
John T. Ramsey, Professor of Classics, University of Illinois at Chicago
(USA)
Karl Reber, Professor of Classical Archaeology, University of Lausanne
(Switzerland)
Rush Rehm, Professor of Classics and Drama, Stanford University (USA)
Werner Riess, Associate Professor of Classics, The University of North
Carolina at Chapel Hill (USA)
Robert H. Rivkin, Ancient Studies Department, University of Maryland
Baltimore County (USA)
Barbara Saylor Rodgers, Professor of Classics, The University of Vermont
(USA)
Robert H. Rodgers. Lyman-Roberts Professor of Classical Languages and
Literature, University of Vermont (USA)
Nathan Rosenstein, Professor of Ancient History, The Ohio State
University (USA)
John C. Rouman, Professor Emeritus of Classics, University of New
Hampshire, (USA)
Dr. James Roy, Reader in Greek History (retired), University of
Nottingham (UK)
Steven H. Rutledge, Associate Professor of Classics, Department of
Classics, University of Maryland, College Park (USA)
Christina A. Salowey, Associate Professor of Classics, Hollins
University (USA)
Guy D. R. Sanders, Resident Director of Corinth Excavations, The
American School of Classical Studies at Athens (Greece)
Theodore Scaltsas, Professor of Ancient Greek Philosophy, University of
Edinburgh (UK)
Thomas F. Scanlon, Professor of Classics, University of California,
Riverside (USA)
Bernhard Schmaltz, Prof. Dr. Archäologisches Institut der CAU, Kiel
(Germany)
Rolf M. Schneider, Professor of Classical Archaeology,
Ludwig-Maximilians- Universität München (Germany)
Peter Scholz, Professor of Ancient History and Culture, University of
Stuttgart (Germany)
Christof Schuler, director, Commission for Ancient History and Epigraphy
of the German Archaeological Institute, Munich (Germany)
Paul D. Scotton, Assoociate Professor Classical Archaeology and
Classics, California State University Long Beach (USA)
Danuta Shanzer, Professor of Classics and Medieval Studies, The
University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign and Fellow of the Medieval
Academy of America (USA)
James P. Sickinger, Associate Professor of Classics, Florida State
University (USA)
Marilyn B. Skinner Professor of Classics, University of Arizona (USA)
Niall W. Slater, Samuel Candler Dobbs Professor of Latin and Greek,
Emory University (USA)
Peter M. Smith, Associate Professor of Classics, University of North
Carolina at Chapel Hill (USA)
Dr. Philip J. Smith, Research Associate in Classical Studies, McGill
University (Canada)
Susan Kirkpatrick Smith Assistant Professor of Anthropology Kennesaw
State University (USA)
Antony Snodgrass, Professor Emeritus of Classical Archaeology,
University of Cambridge (UK)
Theodosia Stefanidou-Tiveriou, Professor of Classical Archaeology,
Aristotle University of Thessaloniki (Greece).
Andrew Stewart, Nicholas C. Petris Professor of Greek Studies,
University of California, Berkeley (USA)
Oliver Stoll, Univ.-Prof. Dr., Alte Geschichte/ Ancient
History,Universität Passau (Germany)
Richard Stoneman, Honorary Fellow, University of Exeter (England)
Ronald Stroud, Klio Distinguished Professor of Classical Languages and
Literature Emeritus, University of California, Berkeley (USA)
Sarah Culpepper Stroup, Associate Professor of Classics, University of
Washington (USA)
Nancy Sultan, Professor and Director, Greek & Roman Studies, Illinois
Wesleyan University (USA)
David W. Tandy, Professor of Classics, University of Tennessee (USA)
James Tatum, Aaron Lawrence Professor of Classics, Dartmouth College
Martha C. Taylor, Associate Professor of Classics, Loyola College in
Maryland
Petros Themelis, Professor Emeritus of Classical Archaeology, Athens
(Greece)
Eberhard Thomas, Priv.-Doz. Dr.,Archäologisches Institut der Universität
zu Köln (Germany)
Michalis Tiverios, Professor of Classical Archaeology, Aristotle
University of Thessaloniki (Greece)
Michael K. Toumazou, Professor of Classics, Davidson College (USA)
Stephen V. Tracy, Professor of Greek and Latin Emeritus, Ohio State
University (USA)
Prof. Dr. Erich Trapp, Austrian Academy of Sciences/Vienna resp.
University of Bonn (Germany)
Stephen M. Trzaskoma, Associate Professor of Classics, University of New
Hampshire (USA)
Vasiliki Tsamakda, Professor of Christian Archaeology and Byzantine
History of Art, University of Mainz (Germany)
Christopher Tuplin, Professor of Ancient History, University of
Liverpool (UK)
Gretchen Umholtz, Lecturer, Classics and Art History, University of
Massachusetts, Boston (USA)Panos Valavanis, Professor of Classical
Archaeology, University of Athens (Greece)
Athanassios Vergados, Visiting Assistant Professor of Classics, Franklin
& Marshall College, Lancaster, PAChristina Vester, Assistant Professor
of Classics, University of Waterloo (Canada)
Emmanuel Voutiras, Professor of Classical Archaeology, Aristotle
University of Thessaloniki (Greece)
Speros Vryonis, Jr., Alexander S. Onassis Professor (Emeritus) of
Hellenic Civilization and Culture, New York University (USA)
Michael B. Walbank, Professor Emeritus of Greek, Latin & Ancient
History, The University of Calgary (Canada)
Bonna D. Wescoat, Associate Professor, Art History and Ancient
Mediterranean Studies, Emory University (USA)
E. Hector Williams, Professor of Classical Archaeology, University of
British Columbia (Canada)
Roger J. A. Wilson, Professor of the Archaeology of the Roman Empire,
and Director, Centre for the Study of Ancient Sicily, University of
British Columbia, Vancouver (Canada)
Engelbert Winter, Professor for Ancient History, University of Münster
(Germany)
Timothy F. Winters, Ph.D. Alumni Assn. Distinguished Professor of
Classics, Austin Peay State University (USA)
Ian Worthington, Frederick A. Middlebush Professor of History,
University of Missouri-Columbia (USA)
Michael Zahrnt, Professor für Alte Geschichte, Universität zu Köln (Germany)
Paul Zanker, Professor Emeritus of Classical Studies, University of
Munich (Germany)

201 signatures as of May 18th 2009.
For the growing list of scholars, please go to the Addenda.
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cc: J. Biden, Vice President, USA

H. Clinton, Secretary of State USA

P. Gordon, Asst. Secretary-designate, European and Eurasian Affairs

H.L Berman, Chair, House Committee on Foreign Affairs

I. Ros-Lehtinen, Ranking Member, House Committee on Foreign Affairs

J. Kerry, Chair, Senate Committee on Foreign Relations

R.G. Lugar, Ranking Member, Senate Committee on Foreign Relations

R. Menendez, United States Senator from New
Jersey.——————————————————————————–

Addenda
12 Scholars added on May 19th 2009:
Mariana Anagnostopoulos, Assistant Professor of Philosophy, California
State University, Fresno (USA)
John P. Anton, Distinguished Professor of Greek Philosophy and Culture
University of South Florida (USA)
Effie F. Athanassopoulos, Associate Professor Anthropology and Classics,
University of Nebraska-Lincoln (USA)
Leonidas Bargeliotes, Emeritus Professor of Philosophy, University of
Athens, President of the Olympic Center for Philosophy and Culture (Greece)
Joseph W. Day, Professor of Classics, Wabash College (USA)
Christos C. Evangeliou, Professor of Ancient Hellenic Philosophy, Towson
University, Maryland, Honorary President of International Association
for Greek Philosophy (USA)
Eleni Kalokairinou, Assistant Professor of Philosophy, Secretary of the
Olympic Center of Philosophy and Culture (Cyprus)
Lilian Karali, Professor of Prehistoric and Environmental Archaeology,
University of Athens (Greece)
Anna Marmodoro, Faculty of Philosophy, University of Oxford (UK)
Marion Meyer, Professor of Classical Archaeology, University of
Vienna(Austria)
Jessica L. Nitschke, Assistant Professor of Classics, Georgetown
University (USA)
David C.Young, Professor of Classics Emeritus, University of Florida
(USA)3 Scholars added on May 20th 2009:Maria Ypsilanti, Assistant
Professor of Ancient Greek Literature, University of Cyprus
Christos Panayides, Associate Professor of Philosophy, University of
Nicosia, (Cyprus)
Anagnostis P. Agelarakis, Professor of Anthropology, Adelphi University
(USA)

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παιδια εγω ενα πραγμα δεν εχω καταλαβει
οι Αμερικανοι τι ρολο βαρανε στη ιστορία? , γιατι τους πεφτει λογος? και γιατι σε αυτους απευθυνονται οσον αφορα την καταληξη-εξελιξη του συγκεκριμενου θεματος ...παλιοσυμπεθερες ....δεν καταλαβα δηλαδη , δεν μπορουμε να το λυσουμε και αυτοι που ειναι απ εξω πχ ξερουν καλυτερα την ιστορια μας και θα αποφασισουν για το ποιος εχει δικιο και ποιος αδικο? ασταδιαλα πια
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γιατι εχουμε αργισει 15 χρονια να το κανουμε αυτο!

Γι αυτο!

Στο κατω κατω οπως ειχε πει και ο επιτιμος, σε 10 χρονια ποιος θα το θυμαται?
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δεν καταλαβα , ποιο εχουμε αργησει? την διαδικασια επιλυσης?
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nai!

Den pisteuw na 8ewreis oti exoume akoma xrono?!
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ΛΟΛ και παλι επειδη καναμε τοσα χρονια , τι θα κερδισουμε με το να μπλεξουμε αυτους στην ιστορία?ΘΑ ΜΑς ΦΕΡΟΥΝ ΤΟ ΔΙΚΑΙΟ ΑΠΟΤΕΛΕΣΜΑ? ΠΟΙΟς ΤΟ ΛΕΕΙ ΑΥΤΟ?
Οσον αφορα το δευτερο σκελος του ποστ σου ..αναφορικα με τα χρονικα περιθωρια , σκεφτομαι πως καποια στιγμη πρεπει να μπουνε τα πραγματα στη θεση τους ..οι προκλησεις ειναι μεγαλες ...αλαλ απο εκει και περα , το ποτε θα γινει αυτο ...εχει νομιζω πολλαααα περιθωρια ακομα , μιας και οι ανοχη μας εχει αμβλυνει πολυ και αυτη ...ολα αυτα τα χρονια ...οσοι ζουμε στη βορειο Ελλαδα και εχουμε τουρισμο απο Σκοπια βλεπουμε τοοοοσα χρονια και οχι μονο τα τελευταια την προκλητικοτητα τους , περα λοιπον απο την "αισθηση " της οριοθετησης δεν υπαρχει κατι αλλο που να το κανει ΤΩΡΑ επειγον


αρα και παλι θα καταληξουμε , στα συμφέροντα ε?
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Θες να μπουμε σε αυτη την κουβεντα?

Αυτή την επιστολή νομίζω οτι πολύ καλά έκαναν και την έστειλαν!

Δεν τους βαζουν στη μεση απο οτι διαβασες, τους λενε απλα τι μαλακια κανανε που τους αναγνωρισαν με το ονομα "Μακεδονια"

Αυτο επρεπε να γινει χρονια πριν!

Και οσο για την προκλητικοτητα, αν δεν ειχε κανει η κυβερνιση Μητσοτακη τοσες μαλακιες τοτε, και αν οι μετα ηταν πιο ικανοι και τις ειχαν διορθωσει οταν ακομα μπορουσαν, δεν θα τα ειχαμε αυτα σημερα!

Θα ειχε ληξει το θεμα!

Τωρα, θεωρω οτι εχουμε χασει το παιχνιδι!

Κι οσο για τα εμπλεκομενα συμφαιροντα, αμφιβαλλει κανεις?
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ναι Αγαμεμνωνά μου συμφωνοι
αλλα για πες μου λιγο , τι λογο εχουν ολοι αυτοι να φωναζουν με τοσο ζηλο αυτο που πιστευουν στους συγκεκριμενους (αμερικανους) ?Αρα ? μια χαρα εμπλεκονται !
Τα εμπλεκομενα συμφεροντα , πολυ καλα τα χαρακτηρισες .

...και επειδη , ακριβως ,οοοολα αυτα τα χρονια εχουν γιινει τοοοοσα λαθη , χειρισμοι και διαπραγματευυσεις
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και ο κοσμος που βιωνει αμεσα τα λαθη αυτα εχει συνηθισει γι αυτο και πιστευω οτι δεν ειναι ΕΠΕΙΓΟΝ
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αλλα για πες μου λιγο , τι λογο εχουν ολοι αυτοι να φωναζουν με τοσο ζηλο αυτο που πιστευουν στους συγκεκριμενους (αμερικανους) ?Αρα ? μια χαρα εμπλεκονται !
Τα εμπλεκομενα συμφεροντα , πολυ καλα τα χαρακτηρισες .

...και επειδη , ακριβως ,οοοολα αυτα τα χρονια εχουν γιινει τοοοοσα λαθη , χειρισμοι και διαπραγματευυσεις
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και ο κοσμος που βιωνει αμεσα τα λαθη αυτα εχει συνηθισει γι αυτο και πιστευω οτι δεν ειναι ΕΠΕΙΓΟΝ
1) To Αγαμεμνωνα, δεν το καταλαβα!

2) Δηλαδη, εσενα δεν σε νοιαζει καθολου για να διαμαρτηριθεις?

3) Κοματικο δεν ειναι, γιατι ηδη σου ειπα απο πριν οτι τα εχουν κανει ολοι πουτανα (με κορυφαιο του χορου τον Μητσοτακη, βεβαια)

4) Αν εχεις συνηθισει και δεν σε νοιαζει, ασε εμενα να με νοιαζει!
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